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- Oct. 23, 1989: Interview:Imre Pozsgay
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- <history>
- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1989
- Oct. 23, 1989 Is Government Dead?
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- WORLD, Page 46
- "A Dead-End Street"
- </hdr><body>
- <p>By Imre Pozsgay
- </p>
- <p> Imre Pozsgay, 55, is the newborn Hungarian Socialist Party's
- leading reformer and its candidate for presidential elections
- scheduled for next month. In his Budapest office overlooking the
- Danube, Pozsgay was interviewed by TIME's Eastern Europe bureau
- chief John Borrell. Excerpts:
- </p>
- <p> Q. In the electorate's eyes, is there such a thing as a
- reformed Communist?
- </p>
- <p> A. We are not going to have an easy time in the elections.
- Unlike Poland, where there was a prior agreement dividing up the
- seats, we are going to have a real struggle, rivalry and
- competition. We have already said we will accept what the people
- say. But the reformers have always been open in their approach and
- in contact with the people.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Look what happened in Poland, even to Communist reformers.
- Is it not possible that the electorate may reject the reformers in
- Hungary too?
- </p>
- <p> A. It cannot be excluded that the same thing could happen here.
- We must keep in mind that the electorate, given the past 40 years,
- is out to punish the Communist Party.
- </p>
- <p> Q. If you win many votes, what are the implications for the
- rest of Eastern Europe?
- </p>
- <p> A. It will have a positive impact on Communist parties in
- neighboring countries. It is going to strengthen their reform wings
- and help the Soviet Union's own perestroika.
- </p>
- <p> Q. But only if it works?
- </p>
- <p> A. Yes. If it fails, there will be catastrophic repercussions.
- </p>
- <p> Q. In the sense of discouraging reform elsewhere in the East
- bloc?
- </p>
- <p> A. Yes. The failure of the reformers in Hungary will help the
- conservative (hard-line) forces in other socialist countries.
- Reform is unavoidable, but it can be temporarily halted.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What about Hungary? Is it too late to use force?
- </p>
- <p> A. There are people who would like to do it. But given the lack
- of support among the people and the fact that the international
- situation is not favorable for such an attempt, I see no
- possibility of it happening.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Why did Communists the world over take so long to recognize
- that their principles were wrong?
- </p>
- <p> A. Resistance to this recognition lay within ourselves. It was
- hard to recognize that we were in a dead-end street or that what
- we were protecting was not socialism but dictatorial state
- socialism.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Is the West doing enough? Or is it letting Eastern Europe's
- reformers down?
- </p>
- <p> A. It is not really letting the reformers down. But a
- destabilized Eastern Europe carries dangers for the West as well
- as for us. What we need is an influx of working capital and the
- economic freedom of movement that would allow Hungary to
- participate in the marketplaces of the European Community and of
- the U.S.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What happens if Western countries don't help enough? Will
- Eastern Europeans leave and head for the West?
- </p>
- <p> A. It is quite possible that this might come to pass. We hope
- it won't, and I trust there won't be a mass exodus of Hungarians.
- But we won't stand in their way.
- </p>
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